Gentle Letdowns – Beta Reading Something Awful

02112018 don-t-need-this-1529905Sometime in your career, if you decide to be as free and helpful as you can, you’ll run into it: a book that’s either so bad or so not-your-type that it melts your soul to read it.

I have read some fantastic beta books (E. Kathryn’s Fire’s Hope was one of them!), but I’ve officially just finished something I almost couldn’t handle.  I nearly put it down for good several times.  I wanted to stab small mammals every time I set my eyes to it.

I learned a lot by getting through this book, and I hope you’ll be able to glean kernels of advice from my mistakes experiences!

Know Your Limits

I beta read for free right now because I am being paid in the experience.  At some point, I may feel confident enough (or requested enough) to start asking for payment. Because I’m doing these for free, though, I have learned there needs to be an internal line that I will not cross again.  I have to put an actual value on my time.  A book that is bad enough to put down early may be better reworked by the author before someone tries reading again.

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If you beta read, go in knowing how bad you’ll need to feel or how bored you’ll need to be in order to quit. If your requirements are pretty tight, consider letting the author know beforehand.  If you reach this internal boundary, embrace that decision. Don’t look back.

Give Constructive Advice

analysis blackboard board bubbleOver the past few months of critiquing and beta reading, I’ve realized that railing on someone’s work helps no one.  I’ve also learned that when a reader gives no positive feedback, it can be harder as an author to believe what they say is meaningful or true (even though it’s not their job to give positive feedback!).

When something is awful, point out what is done right, even if it is hard.  With this last book I beta read, I had sincere difficulty doing so, but I tried giving at least one good comment on chapters that were long and relevant enough.  At a point I lost the ability to keep up with what was going on, so I tried to ask questions more than point out what was wrong.  If you find the good, you will come off as more believable, encouraging, and professional.

Avoid Words like ‘Stupid’ or ‘Awful’

I am super guilty of the above.  I once said someone’s character seemed stupid.


After I received similar comments on a character from one of my betas, I realized those types of comments can be easily interpreted as ‘This character was stupidly designed’ or ‘You, as a writer, are stupid,’ neither of which are probably intended.

Using words that have little wiggle room for qualification can make your statements go from constructive criticism to seeming like stabbing, personal vindictiveness. Instead of ‘this character seems stupid,’ you can say, ‘this character’s decision didn’t logically follow from the prior events.’  Instead of, ‘This passage was awful,’ you can say, ‘This passage was confusing, and I’m concerned that a misinterpretation could cause some people to feel offended.’  It takes effort, but those kinds of statements are more specific, helpful, and don’t sting nearly as much.

Be Truthful About Your Experience

With this latest beta read, I wanted to give up after the second chapter.  I wanted to give up after every single sitting.  I struggled with the question:

Should I tell them?

Luckily, I also recently went through the beta process.  One of the things I am most genuinely worried about is if the readers who said they liked it actually thought it was a steaming pile of poop.  I have hired an editor now, and I can’t help but worry if doing so was a mistake; if the book doesn’t have publishable qualities, why should I waste the money on the editor?  Why should I continue to waste time on it?  If my readers lied, I’m out a good passel of money and a WHOLE LOT of precious time.

Anyway, if it is bad, I would have rather someone tell me from the beginning that it needed significant work.  I would rather know that it might be easier to start from scratch.  I would at least want to know that someone severely disliked it and almost quit (or did quit).

Here’s what I decided to say:

Because I’m beta reading, I will finish this book; however, if I were just reading for my pleasure, I would quit here.
Some good points I’ve noticed:

(gave 3 points)

The primary reasons I would stop reading:

(gave 5 points)

And I hope that was good enough.

Have you ever had any terrible beta reading experiences?  Tell me about them in the comments, especially if you had a clever way to let someone down.

How Many Beta Readers Do I Need?

Recently, I went through the beta reading process with a novel I wrote. I had 2 alpha readers, 5 (a 6th may or may not finish) beta readers, and a constant cheerleader.  I’m in the process of courting up an editor now, and I feel like I have had enough input from readers to do this.

Getting Beta Readers

This isn’t easy.  When people read your unpublished work, they’re not getting something finished.  They’re expecting to have to analyze it like they did in high school or college, and a lot of people (even friends!) balk.  Most people will say no.

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That’s why I suggest joining writers groups.  You will give, but you’ll also get in return.

I also strongly suggest finding people online.  When you have in-person writing groups, you’re inevitably going to end up with a bunch of people who share a similar culture.  I needed people from the internet to read my book just so I could make sure someone who wasn’t a white Southerner would read it (not that I don’t appreciate my white, Southern friends who read it!).  The internet is filled with a wider array of diverse people than your backyard, in all likelihood.

Suggestion: Do it One or Two at a Time

I did my beta reading in 3 pushes. This way, I could take action on the feedback prior to getting information from new readers.  I think I got the best work possible for the least money this way.  The problem?  It takes a LONG time.


Waiting… watching… suffering…

Overall, it’s taken me more than 7 months to get all my beta readers together, gather input, and make the changes needed.  For me, it’s not a big problem – I have no set deadline (though I would like to try pitchwars later this month if I’m ready), and I have another form of income.

Why Quit at 5 or 6?

I’m done getting beta readers now because I reached a point where I’m hearing suggestions that point out smaller issues, things that contradict other beta readers or my own sense of judgment, or things that I’m pretty sure can’t be fixed without changing what I want the book to be.  It’s up to you when you feel like you’re done.


One thing that helps is to have quality readers.  I was lucky to have access to so many awesome readers who read the book in a reasonable amount of time.  Similarly, I don’t think fewer than 4 is a good idea if you want good results.

Why Should I get More Beta Readers?

I’ve had some FANTASTIC readers for my book.  Their information has been detailed and reasonable.  However, I can see myself looking for more readers if:

  • My simultaneous readers (I usually have 2 at a time) are giving conflicting information that I can’t decide between
  • I were still receiving complaints about the same thing
  • I need to test out a major change in a revision
  • Readers in a certain phase aren’t doling out good info (this could mean that they’re just not saying anything or aren’t answering questions)
  • I just feel like it

Right now, I have a little internal conflict about number 2 – I had one thing that multiple, but not all, readers caught and my changes took multiple iterations to improve.  In this last iteration, I finally think I fixed all the main issues.  This means it’s on to copyediting!

Thanks to My Beta Readers!

Thanks to everyone who has beta read for me, whether I met you in real life or online.  You’ve done fantastic work, and I couldn’t have done it without you!

Beta Reading – The Interview Style

I recently found Dolls Don’t Cry, a YA book, to beta read on Tumblr.  A couple months ago I beta read E. Kathryn’s Fire’s Hope, and I talked about that marvelous experience here.  While the author of Dolls Don’t Cry would prefer I not share her story ideas here, I will share her chosen beta reading style and its pros/cons!  This was the first time doing an interview style beta read, so I definitely learned a lot.

Interview Style Beta Reading

Last time, with Fire’s Hope, I talked about ‘Question Style’ beta reading – giving the reader either a chapter or host of chapters followed by some pointed questions aimed at eliciting the information you want.

The Interview Style has a similar idea behind it, except the reader doesn’t know the questions beforehand and answers the questions during an interview after each section is complete.

Pros of Interview Style Beta Reading

When you aren’t speaking with your reader directly, you may not be able to elicit an answer you need.  If you need more information, you have to wait – and, by then, your reader may not remember enough about the previous chapter or give you what you need.  During an interview,  you can instantly press for additional information and tweak your questions in real time.

From a reader’s perspective, I think I give different answers on the spot than I would if I have the opportunity to study.  When doing an interview, I have to rely mostly on what I remember rather than what I can look up.  If I can look up information, I may do so in order to seem smart, or I may question my memory rather than how obvious an earlier piece of information may have been.

Cons of Interview Style Beta Reading

When you do an interview style beta read, both you and your reader must put forth the time and effort to chat.  For me as a reader, this often felt hard to do – I’d schedule a time and it worked out well, but it added a significant amount of time to what I already had to do.  For the author, you’d similarly have to set aside time for interviews.  Right now, I’m doing an interview every chapter, and they take between 30 minutes and an hour – that would get really cumbersome with multiple readers!

When you ask questions on the spot, you run the risk of not allowing your reader to tell you something important that they pick up.  I’ve found that I must forego thoughts on smaller issues, like specific sentences or paragraphs, and sometimes the questions don’t really get around to some of the things I find pressing.

Lessons Learned

I didn’t really like the interview style.  It felt forced, and I’d rather my reader have ample opportunity to plan what they want to say.  I also didn’t like the scheduling part – even though I didn’t often have anything pressing to do in the evenings, I did have to arrange things such that I could talk with the author.

As a whole, I’m glad I got the opportunity.  Now I know that I’m not suited to this kind of beta reading, and I’ll be better able to direct my energies.

I hope that the author of Dolls Don’t Cry got good answers from me, but I worry that I may not have answered terribly well.  I hope she lets me know what happens next with her publishing adventures!

Do you have any books you’d like beta read?  Do you have experiences beta reading that you’d like to talk about? Let me know in the comments!

How to Get the Best out of Beta Readers

Welcome to the second post in a series on beta reading! I love beta reading, especially for science fiction or fantasy, and I believe the practice not only worthwhile but necessary. (If you would like to have me beta read for you, feel free to contact me using the form at the bottom of the page or through the comments.)

You may be gearing up to recruit beta readers – but what should you do when you have volunteers?  These tips are meant to get your noggin rolling and help you craft a good beta reading experience for your friends, family, and other volunteers.

Today’s Tip – Ask Good Questions

While I love beta reading and do detailed analyses for fun, most of your friends and family will be reading as a favor to you.  The easier you make their job, the more likely they will be to complete it.  Sometimes people will put in-line comments that are very helpful, but other times you’ll receive your lovingly crafted file back with one of a couple sentences at the end: “It was good” or “I wasn’t a fan,” some of which is determined by how much they like you as a person.

By placing questions at the end of the chapter, you do a couple things:

1) You direct your reader’s attention to items that you’re concerned over
2) You make it easy for your reader to interact with you by explicitly showing them what you want

Even if you get people like parents to beta read a book, offering questions to answer will help your readers return more useful information with less effort on both of your parts.

What Kind of Questions are GOOD Questions?

A good question is one that asks about specific information yet leaves enough open room for the reader to truly comment on your writing.

I recently had a fantastic beta reading experience, and I asked E. Kathryn, author of Fire’s Hope, if I could talk about it here. I thought her questions were posed very well. She left between five and eight questions at the end of every chapter, referencing events (primarily) in that chapter. If you join the bandwagon soon, you too can beta read for her.

Some examples of good questions inspired by my recent read:

Were the fighting descriptions easy to follow?

This type of question helps the reader consider writing style without seeming too ‘high school English class.’ Fight scenes, especially, have a tendency to focus on weapons, powers, and movement, which can get tedious or confusing to read. This type of question will ensure a scene is up to snuff.

One thing to keep in mind is that the more specific the scene you point out, the more likely the reader is to respond with information you need. Is there dialogue you’re concerned about? A transition of scenes? A sudden occurrence? Ask about those certain places you’re unsure about.  Feel free to point out specific paragraphs, especially if you’re able to put links in your document (as with MS Word).

Do you have predictions about what will happen next?

When your story is plot driven, it is especially important to make sure that the proper elements are set up to build plot twists and, eventually, the climax. E. Kathryn did a good job directing me to think about the trajectory for specific characters or items, and I replied to her with my predictions. If I replied with something completely out of left field, she now has the option to either scale back her surprise factor or ratchet it up.

You want to have a certain amount of your book predictable, but not too much. Keeping up with reader predictions will help you gauge the creativity of your story as well as how well you’ve built plot twists.

Do you think the main character’s angry attitude in the middle of the chapter undermines his role as a “savior” archetype?

This is an excellent question. It makes the reader think symbolically and simultaneously about character growth. I liked how it asked about an opinion on the main character and his ability to seem believable as he carried out the actions necessary to drive the story.

Character growth is essential for most stories, and there may be times where you feel your character’s actions are strained. Think about what you want from your character, and ask if that came across. If it didn’t, you may need to think more critically about who that character actually is or consider changing the scene to get what you wanted across.

What was your favorite/least favorite character/scene/setting element?

This is an easy question to ask, and anyone is capable of picking out a favorite (or defending their reason to avoid doing so). If your goal is to sell your book, you should hope that people do have favorites.

Least favorites, I find, serves more to allow the reader to vent; there’s always going to be something wrong with a story, and it’s often easier to find what’s wrong when you’re going in with a judgmental eye. It would be great if your readers take these questions seriously, because then you might get information about where potential buyers would stop reading prematurely.

How Often to Ask Questions

This is ultimately up to you, but at the end of chapters works well since a reader can answer during breaks. You can also have larger chunks of multiple chapters, perhaps in each of the pieces that you send, with a single set of questions.

One thing to be careful with in your questions is how much you want to spoil in the story. Make sure you read them over and consider if it’s going to give away romantic tension, plot twists, or other information that a reader without the questions wouldn’t have access to.

Good luck with your writing!

Want a good beta reader?

Not to brag, but I’m fairly good at beta reading. I’m confident with grammar, excellent at catching plot holes, and very experienced with science (for you science-fiction writers). Hit me up if you have something you’d like honest feedback on, especially if you have specific (and good) questions!





The Number ONE Rule for Beta Reading

Getting beta readers is an important step for your own writing, since a beta reader test-drives your work before publication and is much cheaper than an editor.  Without them, the quality of your work relies on one person’s eyes to catch mistakes and test for the presence of an audience.  A lot of people want beta readers, especially the kind that aren’t friends or relatives and thus don’t have any reason to give back only good, fluffy remarks.  But how do you get this help?

READ for Others

If you want to get beta readers, it is only right and just to beta read for others. There have been times that I’ve read multiple novels for people only to be turned down for the reading of a short story, and this always gets my dog hide.  It’s also, thankfully, very rare!

I have been lucky enough to have a few beta readers for some of my more important (i.e. not on this blog) works, but part of having beta readers was giving back in the form of beta reading for others.  Eventually I’ll want to collect beta readers for something, but that means I need to be working up the karma in the meantime.

Are you looking for a beta reader?  Fill out the form at the bottom of this post.  I’m finishing a beta read now and will be available for a new one come Saturday.

Get Better at Editing

Ever felt like you can’t read your own works well?  Like you can’t catch simple mistakes?  Reading others’ works will help you learn how to find mistakes.

When you write, you read back what you think you wrote rather than what you actually wrote.  When you read someone else’s work with the intent to edit, it’s easy to see what went wrong.  It’s easy to pick apart another person’s story because it’s not your baby.  At the same time, the other author might make the same mistakes you do, or you may identify a type of mistake in their work that you’ll see in your own upon closer inspection.

It’ll also help you figure out what kind of information is useful to you as a writer.  What kind of information would you like to get back?  How detailed does this edit need to be?  What kind of instructions should you give to a beta reader?  All of these questions will be more easily answered once you’ve done it yourself.

Beta Reader Available HERE and NOW

As of Saturday, I will finish the current book I’m beta reading (look for a blog post next week on what I learned during the edit).  Thank you so much, E. Kathryn, for letting me read your novel!

If you would like me to beta read for you, fill out the form below.

Things I’m good at:

  1. Finding plot holes and inconsistencies
  2. Helping make your science more realistic, or at least not completely impossible
  3. Reading with an eye for diversity
  4. Spotting places where you can show rather than tell
  5. I can give you a fair pass at grammar help, especially if it is requested

As always, I will not share your work if you choose to request my assistance.  Looking forward to any new books to read!